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E15 Ethanol Fuel Can Damage Engines, New Automaker Study Says

Green Car Reports -- A new study released today by the Coordinating Research Council says that E15 gasoline, which contains 15 percent ethanol, could damage the engines of certain high-volume car and truck models.

The two-year study was conducted on eight different engines from the 2001 through 2009 model years, with a pair of vehicles for each engine tested--one on conventional gasoline, one on E15.

Two of the eight engines running on E15 suffered lower performance, misfiring, reduced fuel economy, and damaged valves and valve seats. A third showed tailpipe emissions that increased above the legal limit.

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Submitted May 17, 2012 By: Jumpmaster82

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KMVeneta Veteran Author Eugene Posts:406 Points:72,130 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 4:31:12 PM Ignore KMVeneta Report Abuse I believe this is reducing my fuel economy in my F-150
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,580 Points:1,605,520 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 21, 2012 5:47:51 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse EtOH has never been the answer, esp. not when it comes from food sources.
sydb7 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,542 Points:1,916,730 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: May 20, 2012 5:37:53 PM Ignore sydb7 Report Abuse No food for fuel! non-food ethanol only!
methaneman Champion Author Minnesota Posts:2,608 Points:1,283,435 Joined:May 2002	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 6:03:09 PM Ignore methaneman Report Abuse Get rid of ethanol all together. E10 is ruining alot of engines now. It is a loosing fuel alternative.
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:2,981 Points:594,810 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 1:08:55 PM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse End the mandate.
Virgin55 Veteran Author Ocala Posts:313 Points:888,340 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 7:43:18 AM Ignore Virgin55 Report Abuse ok
nb52 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:7,760 Points:1,542,850 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 6:24:45 AM Ignore nb52 Report Abuse It has been known for decades.
dave12 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,076 Points:1,831,240 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 5:43:18 AM Ignore dave12 Report Abuse In Brazil they make the crap from sugar cane and they don't endlessly subsidize it, like forever like we do here!
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:32,917 Points:2,341,510 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 3:08:00 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Ethanol is Not good for internal combustion engines or any other engines. Use 100% straight gasoline, if possible. NO fuel from Food! No subsidies the taxpayers will have to pay for. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost, if possible! The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
Vette1967 Champion Author Albany Posts:5,947 Points:1,272,000 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 1:54:40 AM Ignore Vette1967 Report Abuse This is not good.
KAR120CSII Champion Author Oregon Posts:3,162 Points:617,570 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 1:45:06 AM Ignore KAR120CSII Report Abuse Why doesn't EPA get back to doing what they do best -- not shilling for Agri-Business -- and protect the public?
abacus44 Champion Author Toms River Posts:3,460 Points:744,490 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:32:58 AM Ignore abacus44 Report Abuse Brazil is not more technologically advanced, they just drive crappier cars.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:28:28 AM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse CiVX is right. Brazil has had E100 since the '80s so how come they have cars that can run on this stuff? You saying Brazil is more technologically advanced than the U.S.???
jkpsr Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,069 Points:1,099,105 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:23:08 AM Ignore jkpsr Report Abuse Correction: E85 WILL damage engines!
hotrod_brother Champion Author Tampa Posts:12,606 Points:2,232,195 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:20:38 AM Ignore hotrod_brother Report Abuse E10 causes me enough grief now, can't wait for E15...NOT !!!
CiVX Champion Author Oakland Posts:7,044 Points:1,356,785 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:20:00 AM Ignore CiVX Report Abuse Well they should ask the Brazilians how they have been doing it for decades.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,832 Points:1,609,140 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:19:30 AM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse Gee, engine damage from ethanol — what a unique idea. When is the government going to wake up and realize that this ethanol binge is an all-around loser??
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,965 Points:2,522,335 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:18:54 AM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse don't want any
pbear316 Champion Author Akron Posts:2,010 Points:673,140 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:18:43 AM Ignore pbear316 Report Abuse OK
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:5,609 Points:800,300 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:17:34 AM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse I do not believe proper testing was done with ethanol. Came about because was greter profit for farmers. Let farms grow food, and let gas be pure.
JimL1 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:8,201 Points:1,238,645 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:17:11 AM Ignore JimL1 Report Abuse The legislators in congress have been bought and paid for by the campaign contributions from lobbyists and PACs. I know of no one who wants ethanol, however, congress ignores all of us and makes it a requirement.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:15:38 AM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse abcdMA said, "this is the governments idea of how to save the auto industry." No, this is the government's way of appeasing the Iowa and Nebraska corn lobby. If you don't support corn subsidies, let your congressperson and senators know about it and threaten to vote them out if they do nothing about this. And if that doesn't work, run for Congress yourself.
blueBMW480 Champion Author Nashville Posts:818,391 Points:836,740 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:15:12 AM Ignore blueBMW480 Report Abuse Ok
Bigwaynef Champion Author South Carolina Posts:11,444 Points:2,076,760 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:15:06 AM Ignore Bigwaynef Report Abuse Same as adding water to your gas...
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rickone All-Star Author Detroit Posts:535 Points:390,785 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:14:43 AM Ignore rickone Report Abuse Interesting - Thanks for posting.
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BobD2009 Champion Author Long Island Posts:6,969 Points:1,235,785 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:12:14 AM Ignore BobD2009 Report Abuse All ethanol is bad.
gus8441 Champion Author Baltimore Posts:2,094 Points:438,825 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:11:46 AM Ignore gus8441 Report Abuse not a surprise
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Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:11:13 AM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse I get that everyone here hates ethanol but I have to ask, since one of the reasons ethanol was introduced was to replace MTBE, which was contaminating groundwater, do you want to go back to MTBE?
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,448 Points:658,950 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:10:12 AM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Eat corn.......do not make ethanol.
miser709 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,268 Points:1,066,325 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:09:54 AM Ignore miser709 Report Abuse Ethanol is a BAD idea.
RetFireLT Champion Author Kentucky Posts:2,660 Points:171,085 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:09:24 AM Ignore RetFireLT Report Abuse No ethanol.
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:10,517 Points:1,854,370 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:09:14 AM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse I don't doubt it
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cheapchickKY Champion Author Lexington Posts:3,997 Points:792,290 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:06:09 AM Ignore cheapchickKY Report Abuse Hopefully E15 will evaporate.
visitor_2 Champion Author Orlando Posts:1,652 Points:1,633,055 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:05:44 AM Ignore visitor_2 Report Abuse Ethanol is crap
LostToo Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,392 Points:975,315 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:05:23 AM Ignore LostToo Report Abuse Maybe they will fix the problem before it hits the pumps. ;-) Hahahahahahahah ya think?
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jim27106 All-Star Author North Carolina Posts:770 Points:778,785 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 11:58:55 PM Ignore jim27106 Report Abuse srchr, Exactly. We need to get this message out. So we vote the bums out.
srchr Champion Author San Jose Posts:7,233 Points:1,616,050 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 11:57:33 PM Ignore srchr Report Abuse politicians don't care - it's the votes that count
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